Curse

arturfel · Nov 18, 2008, 06:31 AM // 06:31

Thinking of an build for at least 6 paragon players:

Imbagon
[build prof=P/W comma=6 lea=11 spe=12][save yourselves (luxon)][theres nothing to fear][ebon battle standard of honor][focused anger][for great justice][vicious attack][swift javelin][aggressive refrain][/build]

Fall Backers x 2 - Make things move faster
[build prof=P/? comma=6 lea=11 spe=12][fall back][go for the eyes][you move like a dwarf][cruel spear][spear of fury (luxon)][wild throw][aggressive refrain][signet of return][/build]

Destroyers x 2 - Kill everthing
[build prof=P/? comma=6 lea=11 spe=12][i am the strongest][go for the eyes][you move like a dwarf][cruel spear][spear of fury (luxon)][blazing spear][aggressive refrain][signet of return][/build]

Motigon - It can change a bit, Chorus must be spammed as hell. Finale restoration too since u got a lot of GftE poping. Never Surrender indeed for pressure. Purifying finale to get the Imbagon or any other paragon free of conditions. Monk skills to try to keep the imbagon clean
[build prof=P/Mo comma=3 lea=11 mot=8 spe=11][finale of restoration][chorus of restoration][never surrender][purifying finale][remove hex][cruel spear][spear of fury (luxon)][aggressive refrain][/build]

Derv Order - heal and orders, no big deal
[build prof=D/N blo=10 win=10 mys=11][arcane zeal][order of pain][dark fury][faithful intervention][vow of piety][mystic healing][dwaynas touch][watchful intervention][/build]

Rt Splinter Resto Hero Build - Still working on it. Probabily necro or WoH monk is better choice but here you got chaneling 15
[build prof=Rt/Me cha=12 res=10 ins=8][energy drain][waste not, want not][splinter weapon][spirit light][mend body and soul][soothing memories][protective was kaolai][life][/build]

Not a spetacule build but nice to play. Very offensive, of course the most important thing to keep it alive is the Imbagon sake. In bad hexes or condtions areas you can use [empathic removal] instead cruel spear. No need at all of dazed or stuff like that since you will just blow everthing with [cruel spear] and [you move like a dwarf]. Another paragon can get [theres nothing to fear] to cycle with the imbagon for full time protection. [lyric of zeal] is an optiom for the Motigon when there are healers with signets, [energizing finale] too for any kind of healer.

By the way im looking for paragon partners to play this build and others paragon build.

Call me IGN: Zayala Khan

EDIT

Alternative Builds:

Imbagon - Drop TNtF get spear of fury for fast adrena
[build prof=P/W comma=6 lea=11 spe=12][save yourselves (luxon)][focused anger][for great justice][ebon battle standard of honor][spear of fury (luxon)][swift javelin][spear of redemption][aggressive refrain][/build]

TNtF Chainers x 2 - Instead of Fall Backers. Chain TNtF
[build prof=P/? comma=6 lea=11 spe=12][theres nothing to fear][go for the eyes][you move like a dwarf][cruel spear][spear of fury (luxon)][wild throw][aggressive refrain][signet of return][/build]

N/Rt Player Build
[build prof=N/Rt sou=8 cha=12 res=10][offering of spirit][great dwarf weapon][splinter weapon][spirit light][mend body and soul][protective was kaolai][life][signet of lost souls][/build]

Luminarus · Nov 18, 2008, 08:43 AM // 08:43

Maybe change on of the cruels for a stunning to help deal with some casters.

Also whats the purpose of fall back? Theres far more useful skills for that slot.

Also, maybe swap gfte for anthem of envy on a couple of them. Actually, if you ran 1 anthem of weariness, and 1 flame as well that could be good with 6 different burns, and weakness running around. Maybe pop TNTF on a second paragon for chaining that as well.

Also Never Surrender would be better on one of the others with more points in command.

Otherwise looks pretty solid. Might need a better healer to keep the imbagon alive due to being stuck with only 85 armor. Thats not low, but if everyone goes for him then it will be.

xanarot · Nov 18, 2008, 03:11 PM // 15:11

Get both fallbackers to use TNTF instead. This will free up a pve slot on the imbagon to use spear of fury; more adrenaline.
Make sure you get spear of redemption on the imbagon, great blind removal. Just put flurry on there instead of aggresive refrain, he's there to protect not deal damage. Sure he'll miss out a bit, but 8% more Standard of honor + order + normal hits will make up for that.

Cruel spear - get more elites in there. 1 or 3 deep wounds = 1 deep wound, the effect doesnt stack. Allowing one to bring daze elite (which will work, since deep wound can be the required condition) will significantly increase the flexibility and strength of the group.

If you compare the +damage vs adr cost, you'll find that spear of redemption is more effective. Sure, it lacks deep wound... but since deep wound is already on the target that doesnt matter.

As for the motigon.
Hexbreaker aria; No energy cost, 1sec longer cast time (oeh scary), party wide instead of single target (yummy).
Same for draw conditions. Bring Song of Purification {E} instead. Sure it kills the current elite, but allows him to keep the entire party hex ánd condition free without (much)problems. Even harder opponents like using diseases or aoe hexes like suffering can be dealt with without any problems.

Also, try to get Protective Spirit in there. Your imbagon only has 60 armor (76 when attacked from the front) which makes him a soft target. He can bring a paragon's insignia, but he will still not be able to take a beating to much. Wouldnt be surprised if later HM stages still manage to 100+ hit him in a single blow.

arturfel · Nov 18, 2008, 04:25 PM // 16:25

Stuning Spear is an optiom but not really necessary. Im overlapping cruel spear because is the biggest paragon damage, with Move like Dwarf, Spear of fury and cruel spear almost any mob will be dead in few seconds. You can chain Move like Dwarf to keep any anying mob KD forever.

I really like fall back because it really improve the speed of anything you do, mission, vanquish, etc... And provide an decesnt heal betwen fights and cover vampiric degeneration. Changing it for TNTF chain is an good optiom too.

I dont like chants or athens beacause you have to stop attack to use them. Weariness isnt necessary with SY up. Envy isnt necessary since mobs health drop really fast, Flame is kind of nice but i still prefer GftE since it provide an fast e-management and decent party damage buff.

Dont like bring conditions or hexs removals because most of the time mobs will spam then a lot making no point in removing then. Fall Back heal or TNTFchain can heal degem damage after fighting. Just in areas where i have ant-phisical conditons and hexes ill bring some removal like Empathic or SoP.

The Rt healer can be swap for anything better. Maybe an monk with PS disable so you micro it in the Imbagon

Richardt · Nov 18, 2008, 04:56 PM // 16:56

I wouldn't say use NS with pressure-it's not going to generate enough party wide health regen to take any pressure off. If your imba has high enough Kurz/Lux you could drop one of the spear attacks for [[spear of redemption] and use that to get rid of things like blind.

For your Motigon, I'd drop [[cruel spear]-you already have 4 others with it and one more is kind of a waste. Your casters shouldn't need much energy-the Orders Derv effectively has infinite energy and your rit healer with the two mesmer skills should be sitting pretty with energy. [[Remove hex] is good for casual hex removal, but in PvE the places where you'd need hex removal it doesn't cut it. You'll want something with a little more kick-[[empathic removal] isn't bad, but I personally love the combo of [[expel hexes] and [[hex eater signet]. [[hexbreaker aria] is a good choice to keep some of the anitcaster hexes off. If you're really worried about conditions, [[purifying finale] works pretty nicely.

And speaking of Cruel Spear, I'd ease back on that. Work in some other elites like [[stunning strike], [[anthem of fury], or [[anthem of guidance] (for areas of high blocking of course). The combo of Fury+DF is just awesome for adrenaline, especially if you're party is using [[cruel spear] and [[stunning strike].

For your healer-I'd drop Splinter and take [[great dwarf weapon]. This frees up your channeling attribute, allowing you to fully spec. into resto and spawning, creating a longer lasting GDW. You could also drop the mesmer stuff and take [[offering of spirit] (putting the 9 into channeling/spawning and giving both a minor rune). This'll give you a huge boost in energy right when you need it (at 10 OoS gives 14).

germanturkey · Nov 18, 2008, 07:11 PM // 19:11

that's pretty kickass. i would be up for some vanquishing with this team. but i could pretty much only do motigon or imbagon, as my eotn reps aren't that high.

Tyla · Nov 18, 2008, 07:43 PM // 19:43

Needs more Great Dwarf Weapon.

arturfel · Nov 18, 2008, 08:18 PM // 20:18

The derv and the Rt are suposed to be played by heros. If you get an Rt player he can bring [offering of spirit] (heros sucks using it) and [great dwarf weapon] fine.

Richardt, nice idea with [Purifying Finale] it work really great here, much better then draw conditions, just throw it in the Imbagon and he will be unafected by conditions. Ill edit the motigon build later.

[spear of redemption] is an optiom instead [Wild Throw] and [Blazing spear] sice it got the better adrenal benefit/cost and remove blind

DarkNecrid · Nov 19, 2008, 05:11 AM // 05:11

I''d go with this (attributes obvious)
x1
["Save Yourselves!"][Spear of Fury][Ebon Battle standard of Honor][Focused Anger]["For Great Justice!"][Spear of Redemption][Barbed Spear][Aggressive Refrain]
-Dedicated condition (you lack this in your original bar really, Blazing is ok but doesn't last that long.
-Spear of Fury to pump SY!
-Lose Vicious Attack since Cruel Spear can do this for you. Gain Condition removal, great vs blind.

x2
["Go For The Eyes!"]["You Move Like A Dwarf!"][Stunning Strike][Spear of Fury]["There's nothing to fear!"][Maiming Spear][Aggressive Refrain][Signet of Return]
-Lose Fall back cause it's worthless.
-Stunning Spear is way more useful, and with SoF, you can keep it up for a long time.
-Maiming Spear works with Barbed Spear on Bar #1
-TNTF works better on this bar.
-In a block stance heavy area, one of the two paras replace Maiming with Wild Throw.

x2
["I Am The Strongest!"]["Go For The Eyes!"]["You Move Like A Dwarf!"][Cruel Spear][Spear of Fury][Spear of Redemption][Aggressive Refrain][Signet of Return]
-Eases the job of the next bar, Barbed is your new dedicated condition.

x1
[Finale of Restoration][Chorus of Restoration][Empathic Removal][Spear of Fury][Aggressive Refrain][Mending Refrain][Signet of Return]
-Blank slot with something.
-Better support elite.
-Stronger party heal that lasts forever when done right.
-Less damage though.

x1
D/N = same bar as OP

x1
N/Rt
[Foul Feast][Great Dwarf Weapon][Mend Body and Soul][Spirit Light][Protective was Kaolai][Life][Signet of Lost Souls][Splinter Weapon]

arturfel · Nov 19, 2008, 07:09 AM // 07:09

Drop [barbed spear] and [maiming spear], both are useless in PvE, degen damage is really weak compare to direct damage, much better spend your adrenal in direct damage. Your dedicated condition is criple and deep wound, thanks to ["You Move Like a Dwarf!"] and [cruel spear].

[stunning strike] is good but isnt really needed, it cost 10 adrena compare to cruel wich is just 7 adrena. There is really no need to aply dazed since any mob will die in just few seconds. If four paragons focus in one target it will die in 1 sec, if just 2 paragons focus in one target it will die in 3-4 secs. I used to do FoW HM with paragons heros with cruel, even 3 monk together couldnt outheal the damage.

You can trade ["fall back!"] for ["there's nothing to fear!"] chain and give [spear of fury] to the imbagon, thats much better but fall back is really good if you like to reduce ur hours runing.

[purifying finale] is just perfect, the imbagon will be always clean of conditions and others paragons too if necessary. Dont like [mending refrain] 10 energy for just 15 seconds, too much work for the poor motigon to spam 8 times it, [never surrender!] can almost do the same job with easy. Bringing [empathic removal] or [cure hex] depends the kind of hexes in the area, in ant-phisical hexes areas you will need at least 4 paragons with emphatic, else just ignore the hexes.

For the Rt you can drop [foul feast] for [offering of spirit] for e-managemt since [purifying finale] can remove easily any anoying condition

Some_guy · Nov 19, 2008, 12:27 PM // 12:27

If you want the two "Fall backers" to do what it seems like you want them to do, wouldnt it be better to increase their command a bit? Leadership at 11 doesnt chnge much besides make leadership skills better - You only get extra energy per shout every two ranks - At 10 you can bring up command some and increase the duration of "Fall Back!" Without much harm to the build.

Not that you need paras dedicated to "Fall Back!" or anything..

Richardt · Nov 19, 2008, 04:24 PM // 16:24

The 10 adrenaline for Stunning is easily made up by liberal application of Dark Fury and Spear of Fury. Even more so if you use YMLaD before firing off Spear of Fury (I know this combo will fully charge CS without DF, so with DF this should fill up Stunning very very quickly).

Using the combo of Barbed Spear and Maimin Spear is not needed in PvE, especially since you can use YMLaD to KD, cripple and deal armor ignoring damage. You'd get more bang for your buck with aditional attacks that actually do damage.

Rhamia Darigaz · Nov 19, 2008, 07:19 PM // 19:19

use dark necrid's n/rt ([great dwarf weapon], shit yeah), lose 2x fall back for 2x tntf and put spear of fury on the imbagon, drop a cruel spear for stunning strike, then i'd run something like this - if, you know, there were even 6 paragons in all of guild wars. 6x paragon + orders + GDW = my kinda build.

arturfel · Nov 19, 2008, 10:21 PM // 22:21

Added the builds of the alternative Imbagon, the TNtF Chainers and the N/Rt player to the main post.

Still looking for paragon partners

Zayala Khan